tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post8700216687683185505..comments2023-09-25T03:57:22.736-06:00Comments on The Decorum Forum: Stan Adelstein: TAX EVERYONE!Bob Newlandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05388226473052858297noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-86448400602052931432012-01-11T11:02:17.606-07:002012-01-11T11:02:17.606-07:00Ditto that Wayne, all the way to DC!Ditto that Wayne, all the way to DC!Leshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13747451938346384727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-88321961228204736752012-01-11T10:56:11.470-07:002012-01-11T10:56:11.470-07:00No Bob, he did not smoke tobacco. I do believe he...No Bob, he did not smoke tobacco. I do believe he had a toke on arising and throughout the day as his needs directed which in my opinion was often. <br /><br />I see little difference in his personality or character since he quit pot, but do think he has a better appearance, maybe its a healthier look with more blood flow from the bypass.Leshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13747451938346384727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-9940033274847222622012-01-11T10:39:28.978-07:002012-01-11T10:39:28.978-07:00"If the end result [of the process of obtaini..."If the end result [of the process of obtaining legislative approval] is of benefit to most of us, that part is, well, accidental and coincidental."<br /><br />True that.!Wayne Gilberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16636917161607613500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-87061815081524860872012-01-11T09:10:01.491-07:002012-01-11T09:10:01.491-07:00Les, did your pot-smoking friend also smoke cigare...Les, did your pot-smoking friend also smoke cigarettes. Not that it will prove anything; just interested.Bob Newlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05388226473052858297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-38994455400298986602012-01-11T08:12:25.238-07:002012-01-11T08:12:25.238-07:00So, why not draft legislation in anticipation of c...So, why not draft legislation in anticipation of cannabis looking like alcohol law?<br /><br />The legislature has adapted to PPACA, right?larry kurtzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06855417104900624838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-30578010687319165502012-01-10T23:29:17.761-07:002012-01-10T23:29:17.761-07:00Just saying Bob. Most politicians in our state ar...Just saying Bob. Most politicians in our state are so worried about the political fallout of supporting your agenda they won't even look at Newland if he is in the crowd for fear they may have to answer a question. You never had to wonder what was on Stan's mind even if you didn't think it was much.<br /><br />Rep Noem had a facebook about the debt reaching GDP. What they don't say is US government obligations are pushing 544% GDP similar to the PIIGS. I doubt in a year or two you will still be waging this battle as they will be taxing heavily commercial MJ.Leshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13747451938346384727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-82622175031472185972012-01-10T23:11:47.026-07:002012-01-10T23:11:47.026-07:00I had a customer who never hid his pot consumption...I had a customer who never hid his pot consumption which was stoned all day daily. At 55 while getting tested for a bypass, the doc at regional told him he had the heart of an 80 year old and the lungs of a coal miner. <br /><br /> All things in moderation for those who are capable of such a feat.Leshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13747451938346384727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-5735256877349662782012-01-10T23:04:54.924-07:002012-01-10T23:04:54.924-07:00Les, Stan would never shut up long enough for a pe...Les, Stan would never shut up long enough for a person to enlighten him with some knowledge of the conflicting and stupid state and federal law situation necessary in any state provision for legal use of cannabis. He made noises about being in favor of qualified patients having safe legal access to cannabis, but displayed a pathetic lack of knowledge of how the feds have the deal all sewed up.Bob Newlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05388226473052858297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-28645278431073324452012-01-10T22:59:01.472-07:002012-01-10T22:59:01.472-07:00And, really, what need did we have of any of Stan&...And, really, what need did we have of any of Stan's proposals? Were not the responsibilities for the potential harms already covered by other laws. I think so.Bob Newlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05388226473052858297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-42041955121509243912012-01-10T22:58:41.193-07:002012-01-10T22:58:41.193-07:00""GOP establishment tends to evaluate le...""GOP establishment tends to evaluate legislative proposals initially by the identity of their sponsor."" Wasn't that Stace Nelsons beef?<br /><br />I don't doubt Stan has a better understanding of the affects of initiation of aggression than most of us would care to know.<br /><br />There is a well known chronology of you and Stan Bob, but, I would bet he would be more apt to walk in favor of a well written med marijuana law than many in Pierre.Leshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13747451938346384727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-32028169683653552952012-01-10T20:55:25.012-07:002012-01-10T20:55:25.012-07:00To put it more succinctly:
If cannabis ingestion ...To put it more succinctly:<br /><br />If cannabis ingestion were causing a trend in adverse health conditions, the epedemiologists would be all over it.<br /><br />There is most certainly a large enough study group available, largely a group who will talk about their experience with cannabis.<br /><br />There is no trend of any lung disease associated with cannabis smoke inhalation or any other cannabis use.<br /><br />Again, I invite refutations, because I really don't know: I just haven't seen any evidence to the contrary.Bob Newlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05388226473052858297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-37502687735669279022012-01-10T20:37:54.578-07:002012-01-10T20:37:54.578-07:00WHAT ABOUT LUNG CANCER AND YOUR EYES EXPLODING AND...WHAT ABOUT LUNG CANCER AND YOUR EYES EXPLODING AND SHIT LIKE THAT!?!?!?!?!?<br /><br />Eye explosions are fairly rare, and are normally also associated with about 10 shots of Patron within two hours of the incident referenced.<br /><br />Aside from that, there's scarce evidence that smoking cannabis, in whatever frequency or volume, causes any problem whatsoever.<br /><br />Drawing smoke into your lungs intentionally and regularly is, intuitively, not a pleasant picture. There are tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of people who have been doing that for 50 years, who will, largely, talk about their lives as they have related to cannabis. <br /><br />Epedemiologists are all over the place. They specialize in trends in medical conditions within groups of people. South Dakota has a State Epedemiologist, Lon Kightlinger.<br /><br />No epedemiologist ever, anywhere, anytime has made a correlation between inhalation of cannabis smoke and any adverse lung condition.<br /><br />The incidence of lung cancer within the population of people who have smoked marijuana "regularly" (I don't know what "regularly" means here) but WHO HAVE NOT SMOKED TOBACCO is a virtually unknown condition. <br /><br />The preceding paragraph is a bombshell, if it is true. I have seen enough of the benefits of cannabis use to believe it is possible that regular cannabis use could be a contributing factor in a lifestyle that, generally, might be adverse to the incidence of lung cancer.<br /><br />Anybody want to try to supply any evidence that contradicts what some friends of mine in the medical community in California have told me?Bob Newlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05388226473052858297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-33363602203481296272012-01-10T20:16:45.699-07:002012-01-10T20:16:45.699-07:00Responding in general to the first 10 comments, mo...Responding in general to the first 10 comments, most of which require no response:<br /><br />Wayne has a point, its poignancy somewhat dulled by the simple fact that a significant number of the members of the SoDak Legislature have earned a second sidewise glance at what it is they propose.<br /><br />I have rudimentary understanding of the kind of campaign that gains legislative approval. If the end result is of benefit to most of us, that part is, well, accidental and coincidental.<br /><br />I have seen nothing that frames an Adelstein philosophy. I'd like to know where he stands on intiation of aggression or fraud.<br /><br />Some things happened during the past few years that got really personal between Adelstein and me. They're all a matter of public record. I think I might post a chronology of our history, now that I mention it.<br /><br />More to follow...Bob Newlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05388226473052858297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-80173127542884361032012-01-10T19:31:14.364-07:002012-01-10T19:31:14.364-07:00From the comments, it looks to me like the point y...From the comments, it looks to me like the point you are missing here is that the venerated <br />GOP establishment tends to evaluate legislative proposals initially by the identity of their sponsor. Then they might take a look at the merits.Wayne Gilberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16636917161607613500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-61171641237503262342012-01-10T19:12:43.453-07:002012-01-10T19:12:43.453-07:00I believe the cell tax was to bring wireless carri...I believe the cell tax was to bring wireless carriers on par with the local exchange carriers who already had that tax, not a bad bill.<br /><br />As far as cell phone use while driving, I need someone to tell me it is not legal as I and everyone I know use it carelessly.<br /><br />I like many drinkers and smokers, but, I cannot walk away from a drunk driver like I can walk away or turn from a buddy smoking in my face.<br /><br />I've long been a proponent of enough road fuel tax to maintain our own roads believing our Fed teat was soon going to dry up. South Dakota is lucky in that we have a great amount of traffic transiting our state to help offset that load. What strikes me odd, most of the fight against this comes from farmers who receive rebate on off road tax and Yugo drivers who burn ten gallons a year.<br /><br />While I don't agree with Stan on some important issues to me, I do respect him more than many who will say whatever necessary from face to back assuring re election.<br /><br />Oh, and right Larry! I agree, get the damn pop machines out of our schools even if it means getting Stan to sponsor a bill doing so.Leshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13747451938346384727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-36965316085363301282012-01-10T18:23:01.548-07:002012-01-10T18:23:01.548-07:00Soda tax could curb childhood obesity in the chemi...<a href="http://pthealthsupportnetwork.com/Health-News/soda-tax-could-turn-health-profit" rel="nofollow">Soda tax</a> could curb childhood obesity in the chemical toilet.larry kurtzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06855417104900624838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-51599035832302231362012-01-10T18:19:07.063-07:002012-01-10T18:19:07.063-07:00First, about pot smoking: I think part of the poin...First, about pot smoking: I think part of the point in the article is that people rarely smoke weed as much as cigarettes. Once upon a time I smoked 3 packs of cigarettes per day. I don't think I could have possibly smoked that much weed. Also, isn't using a bong easier on the smoker's throat and lungs than a joint?<br /><br />I agree with most of BF's list too. It may have been that the Repubs have been obstructing Stan like they've been obstructing Obama in D.C. The goal is to discredit, rather than doing what is best for SD or the USA.D.E.Bishopnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-68940979447808171032012-01-10T17:57:05.848-07:002012-01-10T17:57:05.848-07:00Okay, Mike, going doewn the list, I like the cell ...Okay, Mike, going doewn the list, I like the cell phone limitation, medicaid for pregnant women, the temporary sales tax increase to fund education and health care, indys voting in primaries, the emergency responders, the property tax appeal thing, more time for kids in school, and I'm kind of fed up with Video lottery now, having seen what it has done to a lot of good people I know.<br /><br />I would think these could all at least get to the floor for discussion and vote. It's not like they're crackpot ideas like a lot of the legislation those guys pass.BFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-1296094698085095592012-01-10T16:45:06.920-07:002012-01-10T16:45:06.920-07:00Which one of the bills mentioned do you think shou...Which one of the bills mentioned do you think should have passed, Bill?<br /><br />Larry, you're right. If you were trying to be glib or clever, I missed it completely.Michael Sanbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06523147171085428754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-42956870918698455092012-01-10T16:35:34.819-07:002012-01-10T16:35:34.819-07:00Some of Stan's ideas look pretty good to me. N...Some of Stan's ideas look pretty good to me. Not sure I would brand Stan for being the one who is ineffective in every case. In some, it might well be his fellows in the legislature who head up the committees.BFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-34990369879451158412012-01-10T16:18:51.529-07:002012-01-10T16:18:51.529-07:00Right over yer head Sanborn...good one, D.E.Right over yer head Sanborn...good one, D.E.larry kurtzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06855417104900624838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-90855004540712841852012-01-10T16:15:57.087-07:002012-01-10T16:15:57.087-07:00I'll let Bob argue the relative effects on lun...I'll let Bob argue the relative effects on lungs that pot smokers risk.<br /><br />If people smoked as much marijuana as cigarette smokers smoke cigarettes, I doubt the research cited by NPR would be as encouraging.<br /><br />Likewise if cigarette smokers smoked one cigarette a week, it's likely the incidence of lung disease would be significantly less.<br /><br />Beyond that, marijuana and its effects are Bob's realm.Michael Sanbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06523147171085428754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-48541633393044440942012-01-10T15:42:53.682-07:002012-01-10T15:42:53.682-07:00Did you see this at NPR?
http://www.npr.org/blogs...Did you see this at NPR?<br /><br />http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2012/01/10/144978033/study-a-joint-may-be-easier-on-lungs-than-a-cigarette?ps=sh_sthdlD.E.Bishopnoreply@blogger.com