tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post5845988478919017393..comments2023-09-25T03:57:22.736-06:00Comments on The Decorum Forum: Cloture vote on Health Care Reform tonight...Bob Newlandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05388226473052858297noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-74314023060658504172009-11-23T21:33:51.082-07:002009-11-23T21:33:51.082-07:00Bill, been real busy trying to work some legislati...Bill, been real busy trying to work some legislation.<br /><br />The headline was misleading and I didn't check the date tag. Cloture was the wrong term, I think. The vote on the 21st opened the bill to debate. <br /><br />A cloture vote, if memory serves, limits debate and is most often designed to stall a filibuster. Dems have (had) the votes to do that.<br /><br />In any event, it looks like I was off between Saturn and Pluto. <br /><br />What I've seen of the bill, I'll maintain it's still a turkey. Republicans, myself included, wished to debate a bill they had some involvement in writing. They were shut out of the preparation of this bill, which does not include torte reform, which is important to Republicans, myself included.<br /><br />The bill can go through the Senate, and probably the conference committee without a single Republican thinking any part of it is good, which shuts out nearly have the American electorate.<br /><br />That's unfortunate.Michael Sanbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06523147171085428754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-81244846956880917352009-11-23T15:54:49.011-07:002009-11-23T15:54:49.011-07:00That's pretty much backward on every point you...That's pretty much backward on every point you made Mike. But other than that, how ya doin'? Long time no see.Bill Fleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08319507693205848772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-91166632223977674662009-11-23T15:11:02.106-07:002009-11-23T15:11:02.106-07:00The vote tonight is the so-called nuclear option, ...The vote tonight is the so-called nuclear option, which will prevent Republicans from debating the issue.<br /><br />Democrats have the votes to do it. Republicans are powerless to stop them. Republicans have been allowed no part in this travesty, and it appears they won't have a part or be heard.<br /><br />In the end, I predict that will be a good thing for Republicans.<br /><br />I certainly hope none of those Democrats out there say cloture was necessary to keep the Republicans from a filibuster. Mr. Obama's promised bi-partisan effort toward a health care solution is much like his previous, broken promises.<br /><br />This turkey is all yours, Democrats. Don't choke on it.Michael Sanbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06523147171085428754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-54128824318480750682009-11-22T12:52:06.176-07:002009-11-22T12:52:06.176-07:00Ok, let the circus begin. At least we got to see t...Ok, let the circus begin. At least we got to see the Dems do what people presumably elected them to do. And why. The vote was very telling. I predict it will be the subject of many congressional elections to come.Bill Fleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08319507693205848772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-61418687554243311542009-11-21T22:41:13.285-07:002009-11-21T22:41:13.285-07:00Republicans are really addicted to that filibuster...Republicans are really addicted to that filibuster. It seems like every legislation now has to get past two seperate filibusters.<br /><br />Republicans like to talk about how government doesn't work, but they're the ones causing it not to work.Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-54230597742880544082009-11-21T16:04:38.135-07:002009-11-21T16:04:38.135-07:00Does anyone truly believe it will be a discussion?...Does anyone truly believe it will be a discussion? Seems much more like a foregone conclusion with a bit of window dressing.<br /><br />Speaking of discussion, that's been happening for months, if one includes the rest of the US outside of the Senate chamber.Michaelhttp://www.constantconservative.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-64651188335521354882009-11-21T15:32:43.955-07:002009-11-21T15:32:43.955-07:00My understanding is that tonight's vote is not...My understanding is that tonight's vote is not to pass the bill but to bring it to the floor of the Senate for debate.<br /><br />Although, according to wikipedia, that means <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloture" rel="nofollow">no more than 30 hours of debate</a>, which does seem a little short short for a bill of this magnitude.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com