tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post4573545552953226227..comments2023-09-25T03:57:22.736-06:00Comments on The Decorum Forum: Who owns you? Seriously.Bob Newlandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05388226473052858297noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-33231106168406276622012-06-07T10:58:44.464-06:002012-06-07T10:58:44.464-06:00Ideological? Me?Ideological? Me?Bob Newlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05388226473052858297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-57426521548504541582012-06-06T14:39:18.207-06:002012-06-06T14:39:18.207-06:00Yes, the topic is decidedly neither existential no...Yes, the topic is decidedly neither existential nor phenomenological nor even empirical. <br /><br />It is ideological. <br /><br />And for that reason I marked the answer that says "I own myself and accept responsibility for myself and my actions" fully recognizing that doesn't really mean anything other than perhaps to make Bob happy and supported in his position.<br /><br />I expect he'll give us all hell for it at some later date. That's his usual pattern. Kind of like with Zen Masters. There's never really a right answer, just an impossible to answer question that demonstrates how much we don't really know anything, so we should just keep paying meticulous attention while try to relax at the same time.<br /><br />I've kind of decided I pretty much suck at doing that, but only as a result of decades of diligent practice. ;^)Bill Flemingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-72586098457355196282012-06-06T11:13:09.644-06:002012-06-06T11:13:09.644-06:00D.E., I'd like to see your answers to your own...D.E., I'd like to see your answers to your own questions. That's more or less what I was trying to elicit with the topic itself.<br /><br />The whole topic is not really existential in nature. The justice system punishes people en masse for actions I think are not worthy of punishment. That is a hard and inhumanly cruel fact.Bob Newlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05388226473052858297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-34733981694189131962012-06-05T17:15:30.604-06:002012-06-05T17:15:30.604-06:00I voted that I own me and am responsible. But, I h...I voted that I own me and am responsible. But, I have questions:<br /><br />Does that mean that I am responsible for the circumstances I find myself in, whether of my own making or others?<br /><br />Are my choices also forgivable?<br /><br />Where is the line drawn between my choices and forces outside myself and outside my control?D.E. Bishopnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-90866726271965160572012-06-05T09:07:33.061-06:002012-06-05T09:07:33.061-06:00That well could be an appropriate answer in your c...That well could be an appropriate answer in your case.Bob Newlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05388226473052858297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-3619732622304458952012-06-04T21:49:26.139-06:002012-06-04T21:49:26.139-06:00There are of course more answers than the four you...There are of course more answers than the four you suggest, Bob. And your question lacks context. If you're talking about civil rights, I believe the correct answer is that the individual belongs to its parents until emancipated. <br /><br />I think in South Dakota a person may self- emancipate at age 16 but am not sure. It is automatic I believe at age 18 for some purposes and for others at age 21. <br /><br />The State maintains a lifelong "interest" in us all insofar as protection of our human and civil rights are concerned. So it's not really a simple question even in the context of the law. <br /><br />From a physical, philosophical and biological context it gets even trickier given that we are more "meat waves of potential" than we are quantifiable objects. <br /><br />An analog might be ripples in a pond. One can own the water and the hole it's in, but who owns the ripples?<br /><br />Who owns the quarks and gluons that make up the atoms coursing through you? Who owns the air you breath, without which there is no you?<br /><br />It's a puxzzlement.<br /><br />So much so that I'm at a loss to answer your question with conviction, but I'm leaning toward the "nobody" answer.Bill F.noreply@blogger.com