tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post3829148587921745513..comments2023-09-25T03:57:22.736-06:00Comments on The Decorum Forum: What is the definition of libel again?Bob Newlandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05388226473052858297noreply@blogger.comBlogger71125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-44767049244646798312009-07-07T08:16:14.732-06:002009-07-07T08:16:14.732-06:00This whole marijuana issue could be handled by sim...This whole marijuana issue could be handled by simply declaring it a drug like demerol for instance and dispensing it only as a drug like that. It would need a dr prescription and be obtained from a drugstore. I don't doubt that it can be used to treat certain conditions. But if allowed to be grown at home etc, it will be abused by those who simply wish a high. Why not do it that way? Would solve the problem of medical marijuana and at the same time largely prevent using it was a "high."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-6708636719009149452009-07-07T02:10:10.084-06:002009-07-07T02:10:10.084-06:00Here's PP's letter to the Judge, rescued f...Here's PP's letter to the Judge, rescued from my email files: <br /><br />Dear Judge Delaney:<br /><br />It is my understanding that a Mr. Robert Newland will be facing you on July 6th for the offense of “possession of more than two ounces but less than 8 ounces of marijuana.” Please consider this my appeal to the bench for a strong message to Mr. Newland, coupled with a course of treatment for an addiction he is powerless to resist.<br /><br />Mr. Newland’s flouting of the law with regards to what the state and federal government has deemed an illegal drug is one that has occurred over decades. While he has exercised his rights in attempting to change a law he disagrees with, his addiction has caused him to continually act in violation of those same laws, much to Mr. Newland’s own personal detriment.<br /><br />For those people who disagree with Mr. Newland’s position of protest on the laws surrounding the use and abuse of illegal drugs, his behavior is less than civilized. Because I stand in a position opposite to his expressed viewpoints, I have personally experienced harrasive behaviors which have ranged from mild personal attacks to more often the obscene and scatological. In one instance, Mr. Newland also publicly suggested I should encourage my six year old son should grow up and use marijuana.<br /><br />I don’t consider these actions those of a political protester fighting for his cause. I consider them the actions of a deeply disturbed and addicted person crying out for society’s help in a very public way.<br />In the big scheme of things, when comparing his actions to those of a violent criminal they are very minor transgressions. However, in the past minor incidents have failed to alleviate the behavior. In fact, they have only emboldened it, leaving Mr. Newland as he stands today - a man inching towards his twilight years exhibiting the same character as one would expect from a impulsive teenager. In his crusade for drugs, Mr. Newland often attempts to use shock tactics to shake people out of complacency. This might be an appropriate time for the court to use it’s discretion to shock Mr. Newland out of his complacency towards standing in violation of the law.<br /><br />Clearly, it is long past time that his addiction to illegal drugs should be addressed, and as part of his sentence, I would urge that you do so. A sentence which confines Mr. Newland and provides enough time for a significant course of addiction treatment would be not just to society’s benefit, but more importantly, his own. Trapped in the environment that he is, it is impossible for Bob to challenge his world view and to break his cycle of addiction.<br /><br />I would sincerely ask that the State of South Dakota take the opportunity to not just punish, but to fix what has been long broken. I would urge that Mr. Newland be given the opportunity to live the rest of his time on earth free from the chains of addiction.<br />And we’ll know at about 5pm central today if the State will just be seeing him back in court for the same thing a few years fom now, or if they’ll actually do something to remediate his problems.Bill Fleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08319507693205848772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-76481181223181112672009-07-07T00:23:46.460-06:002009-07-07T00:23:46.460-06:00I don't know if PP's strategy of admitting...I don't know if PP's strategy of admitting to being a troll is any better than the potential libel. One's ISP tends to frown on both.denaturenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-53037803187119822892009-07-06T23:18:38.886-06:002009-07-06T23:18:38.886-06:00Anon 11pm,
I can provide you with many examples ...Anon 11pm, <br /><br />I can provide you with <em>many</em> examples of Bob's incivility on my own, and other websites, with no intent other than to drag my name through the mud. <br /><br />Aside and separate from my personal views on pot, and as Bob refuses to admit, I've engaged him in debate on the issue on several occasions, setting forth very clearly my objections to the ballot issues, as well as the idea behind the MM issue itself. <br /><br />I've learned through experience that not only are those occasions never good enough, they tend to only gain me the pleasure of listening to a scatological or sexual retort from Bob in reference to me personally. <br /><br />Which has earned him a permanently moderated status on my website where it won't hit the website until I have the opportunity to review it personally.<br /><br />So, why would I debate him civilly on the topic, if at all? If I ever feel the need for being likened to excrement, being deemed a "phuctard" or reading a story intimating that I have sex with blow up dolls, there are plenty of other people willing to do so whose depth extends beyond one sole issue.PPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18264279074664603861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-31442277684697529362009-07-06T23:07:25.905-06:002009-07-06T23:07:25.905-06:00Anonymous,
You get it. Thanks.Anonymous,<br /><br />You get it. Thanks.Michael Sanbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06523147171085428754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-78222329144128461582009-07-06T23:04:05.597-06:002009-07-06T23:04:05.597-06:00Oh Taunia!
Don't leave us now! You're ex...Oh Taunia!<br /><br />Don't leave us now! You're exactly what we're looking for.<br /><br />The worst thing you called Powers was a poser, and you backed it up.<br /><br />All of Powers' comments that were removed, were removed by Powers. I removed comments that degenerated into what happens sometimes at War College.<br /><br />Just because Pat baited those comments, doesn't mean they are acceptable here.<br /><br />It's supposed to be why you came here.Michael Sanbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06523147171085428754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-61049189226048148452009-07-06T23:01:55.909-06:002009-07-06T23:01:55.909-06:00I've been building your traffic
for two years...I've been building your traffic <br />for two years, Pat. What else is new?Bill Flemingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-3513388553335817502009-07-06T23:00:46.836-06:002009-07-06T23:00:46.836-06:00Mr. Sanborn is taking down any comments that have ...Mr. Sanborn is taking down any comments that have referred to PP as something other than PP. And he's right to do so, in light of what he's trying to accomplish here.<br /><br />It's just that Pat is so <i>[expletive]</i> disrespectful to medical marijuana patients generally, and Bob individually, on his blog. There's no such thing as a legitimate patient. Anyone who supports the issue is a "pothead," who is just trying to get his "ditch weed" legalized, to support his "addiction." It's this, over and over and over, every time the issue comes up. Never a shred of respect for patients, or those arguing on their behalf. No recognition that nearly half of South Dakotans (48%) disagree with him. Nothing but contempt and scorn and belittlement. <br /><br />It's not that he disagrees on the issue; there's plenty of room for debate. It's the way he engages his opponents in that debate. He repeatedly and incorrigibly refuses to extend to them the respect they are entitled to. His behavior is dishonorable. <br /><br />It's no wonder that we sometimes dishonor ourselves and sink to the same level. But generally speaking, there's no incentive to do otherwise. It's not like he or his blog entertains a serious debate when the issue comes up. There's an almost fundamentalist opposition to the idea that marijuana may have therapeutic value to some people, and it's obvious that, whatever his authority is, no amount of reason or argument is going to persuade him otherwise. <br /><br />So why be civil, in the face of his incivility? <br /><br />This guy runs a very popular blog that openly mocks an issue that is very important to a lot of people. He won't debate that issue on its merits, as has been demonstrated again and again, including right here in this post. Doesn't advocacy for the issue require one to humiliate the person if he won't give you an opportunity to humiliate his argument? <br /><br />For a perfect example of this, see Pat's treatment of Sibby.<br /><br />I'm not saying you should allow that here. I'm just trying to let you know where we're coming from.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-70791266993509836732009-07-06T22:55:13.301-06:002009-07-06T22:55:13.301-06:00Thanks for the traffic tonight. pushing 3100 hits ...Thanks for the traffic tonight. pushing 3100 hits for the day.PPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18264279074664603861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-55999333363389576372009-07-06T22:27:40.625-06:002009-07-06T22:27:40.625-06:00And my prediction was correct.
Check out his new ...And my prediction was correct.<br /><br />Check out his new post.<br /><br />Sigh.<br /><br />And he's doing a Palin, covering up his actions by saying it was a test. (or he could see Russia from his house?)<br /><br />So we're all running little hampsters in his wheel? <br /><br />That's funny. He got caught in his little libelous ways and says it was a test.<br /><br />Nice place Sanborn, sorry it went bad.Taunia Adamsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-72323331403641841022009-07-06T22:13:55.324-06:002009-07-06T22:13:55.324-06:00I've removed no Pat Powers posts. I've rem...I've removed no Pat Powers posts. I've removed others, see new post.Michael Sanbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06523147171085428754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-49923872162785279422009-07-06T22:12:05.625-06:002009-07-06T22:12:05.625-06:00Oh, he sent it. Judge Delaney mentioned that he go...Oh, he sent it. Judge Delaney mentioned that he got two negative letters (and I know he got 42 positive letters). My lawyer mentioned that Judge Delaney asked him who Pat Powers was. <br /><br />My lawyer told him, and Judge D. said, "Well F@#$ him."<br /><br />As for who's taking PP's comments down, I suspect it's PP. A commentor can remove his own comments from this blog. <br /><br />What a weird time in the old town tonight.Bob Newlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05388226473052858297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-61517596564159573362009-07-06T22:02:02.441-06:002009-07-06T22:02:02.441-06:00...all of everybody's comments...
are you clea......all of everybody's comments...<br />are you cleaning house or something, Mike?Bill Fleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08319507693205848772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-42657719493881465692009-07-06T21:56:28.790-06:002009-07-06T21:56:28.790-06:00Who's taking all of PP's comments down?Who's taking all of PP's comments down?Bill Fleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08319507693205848772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-88089978422090898352009-07-06T21:53:57.299-06:002009-07-06T21:53:57.299-06:00How about this fine jem?
PP said...
Will they al...How about this fine jem?<br /><br />PP said... <br />Will they allow you to blog from jail/treatment, or do you anticipate being out before the primary?<br /><br />July 6, 2009 8:43 AMTaunia Adamsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-80648211415569046352009-07-06T21:51:28.212-06:002009-07-06T21:51:28.212-06:00Mr. Sanborn, with all due respect, and after seein...Mr. Sanborn, with all due respect, and after seeing POWERS baiting everyone here and on other posts (specifically Newland), do you think allowing POWERS to continue to post here is going to maintain civility?<br /><br />(Please refer to the cut-and-paste job of Flemings.)<br /><br />He's losing traffic at his own site, that's apparent. And he's baiting you, too.Taunia Adamsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-66976675925248129702009-07-06T21:46:10.423-06:002009-07-06T21:46:10.423-06:00Probably, Bob. Judge Delaney has a copy, right?
...Probably, Bob. Judge Delaney has a copy, right? <br /><br />So also does the woman from the State's Attorney's office, yes? <br /><br />And how about your lawyer? <br /><br />I mean PP say he sent it. <br /><br />So did he, or didn't he?<br /><br />Here's what he says:<br />——————————————————————<br /><br />"The hammer falls on Newland today. <br />Stay tuned - more coverage coming…<br /><br />Posted by PP at the SDWC at July 6, 2009<br /><br />I notice I didn’t get an appeal for clemency and whining about having to do the time for being caught in the act of a crime from noted South Dakota drug legalization advocate Bob Newland who is due to be sentenced today for carrying around a whole bunch of pot.<br /><br />Was he carrying this huge amount of an illegal drug for his ministry to the sick, who might not be able to afford illegal drugs to alleviate their suffering as defined by Bob? No. He was doing it because he has an overriding personal need to be under it’s influence.<br /><br />Why did I not get this appeal? Probably because instead of writing a letter appealing for clemency in his sentencing, I would have written one to the judge - Judge Jack Delaney - requesting that a long time and recidivist offender be given a stiff sentence, and mandatory treatment for his marijuana addiction.<br /><br />Since there were a few hours left before the hammer falls on Newland today, in hopes I could catch the judge before he goes into chambers, I sent a letter off to Judge Delaney. I had posted it here, but it’s going to be a moot point in short time. we’ll know at about 5pm central today if the State will just be seeing him back in court for the same thing a few years from now, or if they’ll actually do something to prevent future violations of the law due to substance abuse.<br /><br />More coverage will be coming on this as it develops. Will it be outrage over him getting his hand slapped? Or will it be congratulations towards the judge for justice well deserved?"Bill Fleminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08319507693205848772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-69613835725996143392009-07-06T21:40:37.727-06:002009-07-06T21:40:37.727-06:00Here's the deal. Pat and I do not agree on ev...Here's the deal. Pat and I do not agree on everything. I'm not fond of what he posted about Bob. I'm not happy about "name calling" as it applies to "addict" any more than I am happy about anyone anonymous or otherwise referring to Pat as anything other than Pat, Mr. Powers, or PP.<br /><br />There has been good commentary on this post and I don't want it to stop. From here out and on all other posts, Pat Powers is Pat Powers, PP, Pat, Mr. Powers and his blog is The South Dakota War College.<br /><br />There's plenty of fodder here. We are here to agree or disagree with one another without degenerating to anything less than skillful presentations of our opinions without cheap insults.Michael Sanbornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06523147171085428754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-18093282342997201312009-07-06T21:34:22.352-06:002009-07-06T21:34:22.352-06:00Well, I think there was plenty of decorum here--fr...Well, I think there was plenty of decorum here--from everyone except Powers. I am proud of the fact that our readers and commentors kept their cool in the face of audacious jerkiness on the part of a guy who would not let any commentor post the kind of garbage he did here today. <br /><br />As I said, his lack of any discernable principle or character strength speaks for itself. The fact that he posted a dissent to the gag order part of my sentence on his blog does not begin to show a pretense of principle. It only illuminates his lack of continuity of thought.<br /><br />By the way, DID anyone copy what he posted and then took down?Bob Newlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05388226473052858297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-64878552485034872712009-07-06T21:30:06.776-06:002009-07-06T21:30:06.776-06:00Congrats, kids. This one post on this site garner...Congrats, kids. This one post on this site garnered more comments than all of PHPH's posts combined did today.<br /><br />Thanks for your help, PHPH! You're a gem.Taunia Adamsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-83924687799143416432009-07-06T21:27:51.112-06:002009-07-06T21:27:51.112-06:00I'm in Missouri. And you MIGHT have gotten, a...I'm in Missouri. And you MIGHT have gotten, at most, a weekend in jail or a couple of hundred dollars' fine here in Missouri for the same, with a competent attorney.<br /><br />I didn't see PHPH's letter.<br /><br />Anyone save it?Taunia Adamsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-22543086528183504242009-07-06T21:13:13.137-06:002009-07-06T21:13:13.137-06:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-75968249188818714902009-07-06T21:05:10.278-06:002009-07-06T21:05:10.278-06:00True to form, Powers's letter to Judge Delaney...True to form, Powers's letter to Judge Delaney was pathetic and reprehensible. <br /><br />But it should come as no surprise after witnessing, over the past few months, Pat's gleeful, giddy celebration about Bob's legal situation. <br /><br />Forget the libel, which the letter was full of. Forget the comic book psychology. Forget the outright dishonesty, which is Powers's stock in trade. The most outrageous thing about the letter was Pat's feigned concern over Bob's made-up "addiction."<br /><br />That whole line of attack was so low, so disingenuous -- and at the same time so perfectly illustrative of Pat's character and integrity. Judge Delaney doesn't know the history between Pat and Bob; doesn't know that Pat doesn't give a damn about Bob; doesn't know that Pat has been downright ecstatic over Bob's arrest; doesn't know that the pretend concern about Bob's "addiction" was just a shameful attempt to appear credible; and, most importantly, doesn't know that Pat's letter was inspired more than anything by the fact that Bob has gotten the better of Pat in just about every argument they've ever had, on any topic. <br /><br />So Pat might have won the battle, with Newland locked up for 45 days. But the war? Well, the letter has been removed from Pat's blog, but Bob's action for libel remains, if he wants to pursue it. And I'm sure Bob or one of his many friends preserved a copy of the letter before Pat got scared and took it down. <br /><br />Actually, the fact that he took it down helps Bob's case, because it implies that Pat knew what it said is false. <br /><br />I think the statute of limitations on an action for libel is more than 45 days, right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-54825795178102498992009-07-06T21:00:08.065-06:002009-07-06T21:00:08.065-06:00Hard to go to jail for a principle when you have n...Hard to go to jail for a principle when you have none. <br /><br />Just curious, Taunia, where are you?Bob Newlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05388226473052858297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2123919364122433432.post-56645400997138319792009-07-06T20:46:44.181-06:002009-07-06T20:46:44.181-06:00Thanks, BF.
Bob, I hope you're not feeling li...Thanks, BF.<br /><br />Bob, I hope you're not feeling like a whipped pup tonight. I think you scare the hell out of those like PHPH. <br /><br />PHPH is NEVER going to go to jail for anything he believes in, anyone disagree?<br /><br />If I was in SD, I'd bring you cookies during your tour of duty.Taunia Adamsnoreply@blogger.com